Episode 221: BCSS chairman Greg Bulmer
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With more than 3000 members, the British cactus and succulent society is one of the biggest plant societies in the UK. It's a society which has been extremely successful over the years are holding all kinds of events for cactus and succulent lovers. And I'm a member of declare that interest straightaway. So when a new chairman got elected recently, I thought it would be valuable to get him on the show to talk all things cactus and succulent as well as the future of the BCS s.
Greg Bulmer 3:16
I'm Greg Bulmer, and I'm the chairman of the British Cactus and Succulent society, an avid lover of any kind of succulent plant.
Jane Perrone 3:22
Congratulations, first of all on your election. Let's start off by finding out a little bit about you. Are you hoping to inject a little bit of youthful vim and vigour to the BCSS management?
Greg Bulmer 3:37
I want to open this society up to any age, of course. But I am, as you say, probably on the on the younger age of your average branch meeting. And that's that's always been the case. And quite often that that's less the case. And I can envisage that being the case. Maybe for a few more years, still, there's a clear interest in plants amongst young people. Lots of people, you know, kind of describe themselves as plant daddies and plant mommies, you know, they've got their flat and just because they live in, in a city centre or in shared housing, etc, doesn't mean at all that plants are for them. And I think for a lot of people in a lot more kind of digital isolated age plants offer the ability for you to care for something that is actually organic and alive and living. And so I kind of I want to share that the passion that I've had for my most of my, my life, I've had an interest in plants, you know. I came to cacti and succulents when I was 17- that's when I joined the society that coincides with me, you know, had my free plants on the on the windowsill and I just wanted to know more and yes, the society kind of opened the door to how actually there's there's more than just you know, a tall spike you on and around spiky one and there's round, non spiky ones and round tall ones and then you grow into it and you to pardon the pun, and it's opened my mind to how the 1000s and 1000s of different plants, how they're all different and different environments. And often these environments can have kind of a coincubation with our homes. So yes, there's part of my chairmanship, I would like to kind of expose just just how versatile our plants are both in a greenhouse and on the windowsill, or in a coal frame or in a bright off office. And yeah, I'd like to share my passion for that.
Jane Perrone 5:32
I think it's one of these things where it's a good balance between appreciating those older members and their vast experience, but also, not making younger members feel like they're not part of things just because as you say, they don't have a massive green house with, you know, hundreds of one particular genius or something. You know, there is room for everyone in this society. And certainly when I've been to events, you know, I've been made very welcome. And I do like to sort of just drain the brains of those older members with loads of experience because that's what I'm there for to learn, which is great. Have you got a particular type of cactus or succulent that you're particularly fond of? Or that you specialise in? Or are you a bit of a jack of all trades?
Greg Bulmer 6:19
So I suppose my my journey through cacti and succulents has evolved and I've kind of learned what I can or cannot grow. So when I first joined society, I had an absolute fascination for malefactor. So I bought bought a few Melocacti you know, little see the ones and you know, some of the ones you can get in Wilco was a towel and I killed them quite quick really, because, you know, I was actually watering them enough that they like a bit of like a bit of moisture, do do a mellow cacti they like it warm. And so yeah, when I got my first little greenhouse not properly now, it's just kind of one of these pop up things that you get from your from the dry stuff compounds and had quite a few deaths over on my on my windowsill. And I started to learn just just how actually there was a bit of a bit of a knack to it really, and the importance of of looking into how the plants grow. And where they grow. Initially, maybe a little bit of naivety about watering and things like that, just
Jane Perrone 7:23
for those of us who are not familiar with the genus Melocactus, can you tell me a bit about them
Greg Bulmer 7:28
A Melocactus, I believe it stems from the get nickname melon cactus as well and essentially got kind of a big round body. And so as they grow, they've got this big, round, spiky body and they kind of look like a typical glob of characters. And then as they become kind of adults, so to say, from their centre, they produce this thing called a sub failing. And what this is, is this essentially kind of a cylinder that grows from the centre of characters and it's often a colour such as red or white. And that's from from where the plants flower. So they're quite a quite different in comparison to a lot of of cacti because the adults so to say, and the babies look very different. Whereas, you know, if you grow, you know, Echinopsis, you can see mother and child how they look quite similar as this, they look very certain way when they're young. And then yeah, as they reach maturity and get to Florida, they formed this, this what we call a failing this kind of thread kind of blob coming at the top of them. And so yeah, they're from places like Cuba and Brazil, and they you know, they love the heat getting get them and beaches and things like that. And, you know, if you take them much below kind of 10 degrees Celsius, they'll die quite quickly and quite easily, quite a lot of mela cacti are endangered because only the, you know, your big adults can start flowering and thrown out seed. And so if you get those wiped out, you've then got to wait quite a lot of years before you've got kind of a generation that can produce seeds and seedlings onwards from that. So yeah, that was one example of kind of, yeah, I wasn't I wasn't watermelon enough, or I'd let them go to anything. Oh, there'll be they'll still be okay in the polytunnel I had outside because it's only September, it's only October, I'll bring them in when it's really cold. And they lose their roots, they get to them and they've lost their roots and, and now a little bit they're grown and now you know, I have them inside. But this really shaped kind of the kind of plants I was I was growing and from then I was I was a lot more particular about Yeah, just finding things that were going to be particularly cold hardy, I don't heat in my greenhouse at all. I'm also relatively limited for space, I don't have a huge collection, my greenhouse is six foot by four foot. And so again, this is kind of really guided the kind of plants I grow. So things that aren't in a rush to the, you know, filling a five inch pot anytime soon. So grow lots of cold hardy plants. So things from the American plains things that will take some frost like Ekena, saris and things like that.
Jane Perrone 9:55
I saw a discussion, I think it was on the BCSS Facebook group, about growers who have heated their greenhouses in past winters looking at that, again, in the light of the way fuel bills are going up at the minute, I wonder how that's going to affect the hobby and future,
Greg Bulmer 10:12
That's definitely the case, I've spoken to members who have energy bills going into the several hundreds of pounds. And, and the cost of energy is certainly, whether we like it or not, is certainly gonna force certainly how we grow our plants, you know, I do have quite a few plants that aren't cold hardy, and that I move into the house over winter. But that's, you know, that's a lot more limited space, you know, it's just some window sills, etc. Rather than a whole greenhouse. And, and yeah, you know, I think, you know, if you're growing Brazilian plants, or, you know, plants, some different types of plants for the Caribbean, etc. You can you can, or African euphorbias, things like that need a lot of heat, you know, 10-15 degrees Celsius, which to heat a greenhouse that is going to be astronomical in price, these plants are quite often I find a lot more cold harder than maybe we initially think like this. Originally, when I started my cold hardy greenhouse, I thought it was just going to be, you know, some upon tear and some air canisters and things that were definitely kind of tried and tested could go down to minus 15. And that was the a lot kind of relief. But really, I find that as a general rule, cacti in particular, and a lot of lithops, I have taken through so many winters now, completely unheated. I think there's a lot to be said about ventilation. But my greenhouse is quite small. But that means that you know, when I have, you know, if a clear day comes along in the autumn or the winter, I'll throw that door open, I'll put the window open. And there's a lot of air movement. And I think that's really, if not more important than the temperature, the movement of air so that you can have a real good play around with your conditions. And you'd be surprised. Yeah, just what can survive.
Jane Perrone 12:06
Really, I think people think lithops look terribly sort of fragile somehow and want to sort of bring them inside. But certainly, I mean, I don't have many, I think I've got one or two. And once I've grown from seed, and I was thinking, gosh, they're so tiny, having been grown from seed, but actually, they were absolutely fine. It had been fine outside. And as you say, it's more about air circulation, and also what's going on with the roots in terms of dryness, I think that you can do things you can do to make sure they'll have their best chance of surviving, I guess wet is the enemy with many of them.
Greg Bulmer 12:42
Yeah, and yet, sometimes I break the fundamental the golden rule in grown cacti unheated in the greenhouse. And so there's a couple of species in particular. So for example, my classic cactus Strauss Yeah, that you know, a big silver torch kind of cactus that you come across in garden centre, etc. I'll give that a bit of water in in January, and it'll keep its roots, it'll keep screen point. There's a beautiful cactus Mammillaria Luthy ice when I think it's my favourite cactus species, is this incredibly small, got this very black body with these long tubercles white on the end. And they have these gorgeous purple flowers. And I give them a you know, a sprinkle of water in February, even if it's, you know, cold and they pull through and certainly for anyone listening, I wouldn't, I would not use that as a general yardstick, but do have a talk to people and see if there are any particular requirements. And if there are any kind of exceptions to the rules in terms of watering in the winter,
Jane Perrone 13:41
What's your vision for the future of the BCSS?
Greg Bulmer 13:44
I want to build on what has been started in, in taking the society keeping the very essence of the size, like you know, things that work incredibly well in the society that is a beautiful journal, you know, that, that, you know, the, the shows that are put on by the shows committee and other branches or zones throughout the country are, are phenomenal. The organisation involved is fantastic. But find ways of bringing this to a wider audience. So particularly for me, it's showing how we fit into a modern society into a world where you can easily go on Facebook or on Instagram or on Google and get information upon the click your fingers for free and show how we are set apart from that in in be able to offer you know a more personal experience and often a far more knowledgeable experience than if you just Googled a plant. And so in the first few months and the first year so I really want to kind of focus on the our outward facing aspects of our society to kind of get in order. How we can align with we've overlooked kind of modern charities Here's how they run things in sort out a website, that means that we can, you know, when people Google they come across fresh website that kind of entices them in and introduce them to our society. I think I want to kind of Forge links and really showcase what we have offer on offer in terms of kind of our, our charitable objectives, you know, we are a charity, you know, and we have to be very, very wary of, of what our our purpose is, you know, to spread awareness of cultivation and research and conservation and, and reach out to you, for example, university students who might not be aware of the travel grants that we offer, or the ability to apply to the BCSS to run your own conservation projects on cacti, succulents, fundamentally, I don't want to change what the society is about, which is people enjoying plants and be able to pass on to garner huge amounts of information from incredibly experienced members. But yet, through our just our public facing aspect of that, kind of attract them, and let them know that we are here and you know, that, you know, hopefully, in the future, you know, when you talk to people at NRHS, show or garden centre, or your local plant swap, or on Facebook, people know exist in there. That's not the first time that they've heard of us, and that we've managed to kind of get out there and spread the word that we are, you know, a useful and productive force in horticulture and the cactus and succulent world.
Jane Perrone 16:35
If you were trying to pitch to somebody the idea of joining the BCSS, how would you say and describe in a couple of sentences, what you get from becoming a member?
Greg Bulmer 16:45
I think, joining the BCSS it's the perfect marriage of the hobby that you're already interested in, in a topic in a group of plants that are inherently fascinating, you know, it's a lot easier to entice people in with cacti and succulents than it is with, you know, pine trees or you know, ferns, I'm sorry for the fern lovers out there. But I do believe that is true.
Jane Perrone 17:13
Fern lovers switching...
Greg Bulmer 17:14
Sorry, ratings have dropped by 90% - I'm sorry. But I think the key bit is the personal, you know, the personal, human aspects of being part of, again, a community of growers. And I think that is what sets us apart from words just written on websites, you know, you can after the horrible years, last couple of years, we've all had, I think people are more ready than ever, to actually, you know, turn off the TV and see see people in real life and do real things together. And I think perhaps before the pandemic, there was a certain this slide toward, you know, is everything going to be online, and we just, you know, go home after work in the nine to five and, and just consume media free, whatever source that is. And I think I think this Society offers a real opportunity for people to have fun and feel part of a community. Whether, yeah, yeah, a community to enjoy these plants. And ultimately, I think you people will learn and do learn a lot more if they're involved in that kind of, if you've got friends in the hobby, and you're looking forward to your, your branch meeting or your next share or your next we're gonna zoom talk discussion, you know, just because things are in line, I do want to stress just because things are online, does not does not make them inherently bad in any way. And that you can still get a lot of social interaction from things like your branch zoom meetings, and I think there are a real lifeline to kind of people, particular members who maybe hadn't used things like zoom before the society, the pandemic came along, and they were still able to see their friends and talk to them face to face about a topic they loved. And I think that's kind of what sets us apart from, as I said, just something that isn't a specialist kind of Plant Society.
Jane Perrone 19:13
And just on a final note, if somebody's listening to this and thinking, Well, I'm not really into cacti and succulents, I'm not really that kind of grower. Is there one succulent that you can say to people, this can be your gateway drug to the world of cacti and succulents? Is there something that you believe nobody can resist? Because it's just the best thing to grow. I'm putting you on the spot there. I know what I would answer if I was going to answer this question. But I'd love to hear what you think, wow,
Greg Bulmer 19:45
This really is a task.
Jane Perrone 19:47
Let me tell you what my one is and then that gives you some thinking time because I haven't given you this question beforehand. I think the one that really is a showstopper for me is one that lots of people kill But I still think it's absolutely fascinating. And it's such an Senecio rowleyanus, the string of beads or string of pearls. I mean, I I'm biassed, because I've written a chapter of my upcoming book about this plant. But I just think it's just, it looks amazing. It's got amazing habits, and you just can't fail to look at it and find it fascinating surfacer for me, although I know a lot of people moan that they find it difficult to keep alive. For me that one is an absolute showstopper. And I am eyeing up the varigated form at the moment, because it seems to be becoming a lot more widely available and wondering if I should add it to my collection. But I've suspect it's probably slightly more difficult than the plain green one. So I'm slightly hesitant. Has that given you time to have a have a think about your one,
Greg Bulmer 20:53
I think what truly got me hooked is not necessarily even my favourite plant now. But what really kind of blew me away. When I had those first few plants is we had this, it was Echinopsis oxygona, and you see that a lot, just kind of generally around, you might see that in take away windows, etc. And most of the year, it just is this green ball with some spikes on, it's not the most showy. And then over a course of around a week, it will produce a flower of absolute magnificent proportions. You know, sometimes the trumpet can be kind of in nearing a footlong, it opens out into this pinky white flower. And the smell is fantastic. And just just seeing, you know, there's not many houseplants in which you see such rapid, you know, production of a flower. It flowers, it doesn't fly for long, and then it dies down. That was one of the things that got me hooked, it was just such a spectacle. I think that's really special. And I think for someone wanting to get involved, kind of get hooked to that gateway drug, I think something that getting a plant that is going to reward you relatively reliably with flowers is very nice. It gives you that visual reward and quite a lot of people to start off with they're not, you know, there's when I started off, there was a few plants, I'd say, Oh, that was that's looking nice. Yeah. And then I'd realise a few months later it was it's been dead for a while it was hollow on the inside. And yeah, at least you know, with a flowering plant. So something like rebutia like rebutia is the nice and cold hard, it'll take quite a bit of stick really. And they'll produce enormous amounts of, you know, very colourful, you've got all these wonderful hybrids, pinks, yellows, purples, reds, everything, I think, yeah, something like that will that will produce flowers quite reliably in quite immense numbers. It's kind of wave of getting you in something you can really kind of watch and fall before you.
Jane Perrone 22:54
I don't have Echinopsis oxygona but I do have subdenudata, which is the I think it's sometimes called the domino cactus or the Easter Lily cactus. I mean, I love the flower on that, which is a white one. I always think it smells like Persil washing laundry, liquid laundry powder.
Greg Bulmer 23:11
I agree with that. Yeah,
Jane Perrone 23:12
I don't know what oxy gonna smells like. But I agree with you those dramatic flowers, bang for your buck. You are getting plenty of it with that. And you can really enjoy those flowers.
Greg Bulmer 23:23
What I will say just about them as one last point is, is that they're relatively nocturnal. And so when you come home from work, that's actually when it's coming into its own. Because that yeah, they're pollinated by things like moths, but yeah, that's yeah, that's, that's, that's another kind of another thing about them is that, you know, when you come in from work, you've still got the flower intercom.
Jane Perrone 23:39
Well, you can have it you can have a flowering party where you know, you sit up all night, looking at your beautiful, beautiful. I know people who've done that with the Queen of the Night, which is a one of the forest cacti. You know, staying up all night watching it flower. I mean, like who needs TV? What a show? Well, it's been great to talk to you, Greg, thank you so much for chatting to me. And I'm really excited to see where the BCSS ends up going. And I also thank you for stepping up because I know that doing these kinds of roles for a charity, like a planned society is hard work. And there's always going to be people, you know, who want you to pull you in different directions. So I'm sure it's gonna be a lot of hard work. But best of luck with your tenure as Chairman.
Greg Bulmer 24:24
Thank you very much, Jane, thank you so much for having me on your podcast. It's the first time I've been interviewed for a podcast and it's quite an honour.
Jane Perrone 24:31
Oh, great. Well, I'll put all the details in the show notes for how to join the society and all that jazz is great value. I should also say it's really good value. I think it's is it still about 15 pounds is my right there and we're out of date. It's a really good value membership.
Greg Bulmer 24:46
That is those the current price Yes.
Jane Perrone 24:48
Yeah, it's great value and the as you say the journal is superb. So I always encourage listeners to to have a look at joining plant societies. They are absolutely brilliant resources. And so it's wondering We'll see the BCSS starting a new chapter
Do go and check out the show notes at Jane perrone.com for all the names of those cacti if you missed any and you know me, I had to go straight away and find out whether that's a failure them. The dome like structure on the top of the mellow cactus genus serve a particular purpose. I'll link to the wonderful blog post I found by former guest of the show, Matt Candeias on In Defence of Plants, a really detailed blog post all about cephalium. Basically, it's a very concentrated flower factory for the plant. It doesn't photosynthesize and it has very tightly packed spines, which protects both the flowers and the fruit that follows from anything that might want to eat them. So I'll post that link to the cephalium or should I say cephalia in the plural page from Matt Candeias to find out more about these amazing structures if you wish to do so. And now it's time to hear from our Meet the listener subject this week.
Andrew Atkinson 26:21
My name is Andrew Atkinson.
Jane Perrone 26:23
When did you get into houseplants and why?
Andrew Atkinson 26:27
I got into houseplants in 2021. So I'm a bit of a newbie and I got a houseplants following the very sudden death of my fiancee following her having a stroke. Friends kept taking me to the garden centre for a coffee and my whilst there I purchased my first plant which was a Tradescantia 'Nanouk'
Jane Perrone 26:48
what's the latest addition to your house plant collection?
Andrew Atkinson 26:51
My latest house plant purchase was a Geogenanthus - She's beautiful and dark and smouldering, and doing very little at the moment.
Jane Perrone 27:02
Complete the sentence "I love my houseplants because.."
Andrew Atkinson 27:06
I love my house plants because they brighten up the house. They give me a focus. And now I have plants inside that are equally as beautiful. As my Azaleas rhododendrons, roses outside
Jane Perrone 27:20
Who is youris your house plant hero.
Andrew Atkinson 27:23
My house plant hero is to Thalasso Cruso, a bought a book following a podcast from On The Ledge. It may be old, but it's bang up to date, in so many ways.
Jane Perrone 27:35
Name your plantagonist. The plant you simply cannot get along with...
Andrew Atkinson 27:41
my house plant antagonist is Pointsettia I just treat them as disposable these days. My other plant agonist is my Alocasia 'Dragon Scale'. We have a love hate relationship. But we're currently in a love phase because she's put out a beautiful new leaf in the last couple of weeks.
Jane Perrone 28:04
Thanks so much, Andrew. And I have to say anyone who comes on Meet the listener and puts himself forward deserves our praise because it's not easy recording your own voice. I know this. I've been doing it for a long time now and it's still not easy. It takes a lot of bravery. And so anyone who puts themselves forward for meet the listener well done, anyone can do it. I'd love to hear from you and it makes you feel really good when you've done it. So if you want to be featured in this slot drop me a line on the ledge podcast@gmail.com
That is all for this week show. I will be back next Friday. Have a fantastic week. Join a plant society, why don't you? See you next Friday - bye!
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I talk to the new chairman of the British Cactus and Succulent Society his vision for the BCSS and his own passion for prickly plants, and we hear from listener Andrew.
This week’s guest
Greg Bulmer is the newly elected chairman of the British Cactus and Succulent Society.
You can find out more about the BCSS and become a member here.
Join the BCSS Facebook group here.
Check out these notes while you listen…
The Melocactus genus is recognisable for its unusual shape, featuring a dome-like cephalium.
Learn more about cephalia, a feature of the genus Melocactus, in this post by Matt Candeias of In Defense of Plants.
The silver torch cactus Cleistocactus strausii and Mammillaria leuthyi are the two species Greg mentions when talking about breaking the rules on keeping cacti dry over winter.
My choice of ‘gateway plant’ to the world of succulents was Senecio rowleyanus, known as string of pearls.
Greg’s choice was the beautiful pink flowers of Echinopsis oxygona and Rebutia. I also mention the Easter lily cactus, Echinopsis subdenudata.
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